The middle three groups, or quintiles, represent what you might call the middle class. Today, middle class families in Canada are finding it easier to make ends meet, thanks to more generous benefits and a middle class tax cut. Edmonton’s middle class needs to make at least six figures to afford properties like this two-storey penthouse in Edmonton’s Ultima Tower. and Ontario. It’s $3.13 million and comes with a Bentley. To one working person spending $15 a day on coffee and lunch is normal and necessity - another sees it as a luxury. Only 23.7 percent of Manitobans are in fact middle-income earners with the remaining 38.5% of earners in the upper-middle to high-income quintiles. It is still close enough to Ottawa (1 hour) that we can enjoy the museums, the kids can go to AWANA, we can sign up for homeschool soccer, etc. There are many ways of saving money here without sacrificing your std of living. These numbers wont mean anything until you decide where you will be staying because the cost of living in Canada is different from province to province. I am looking at renting a house first but we again still trusting God for my pension to be paid out before leaving otherwise I have to look for a way of getting the money across. but it is far out enough that we could actually afford it! It might be good chatting to her. Standard of living remained about the same but we elected to live far from Toronto to access cheaper real estate and get more house for our money. Runaway incomes at the top, he warned, “can play into the politics of things.”, “If you don’t have an income distribution where everyone is seeing the benefit of growth,” he warned, “you can end up with some pretty bad politics.”, Are you earning a middle-class income? My advice, which others gave me and did not apprevciate until we lived here for a couple of months, is Rent first. READ MORE: Average Canadians pay 42.5 per cent of their income in taxes: report. Powered by Invision Community. (on a side note it is lower in the evenings, so fill your tank at night). We have friends where the husband is a janitor at a school, wife is a SAHM and they live quite well. Stephen Gordon, a professor of economics at Université Laval, believes that things, overall, are “not bad.”. Childcare costs are VERY expensive: middle class for a no children family looks different to the 3 child family. At about $375,000, Specialist Physicians are the highest paid workers in Canada. A household income of just over $87,000, which wouldn’t have been enough to break into the middle class in Fort McMurray, is all it takes to reach the top income group in Thetford Mines, Que., a former asbestos mining town. Now that we are moving to Cardinal (another 20 minutes away from where we live now - he just started a new job there), we bought an "expensive" house for the area on 5 acres. SACanada Forums Generally speaking, you would want to be on the right side of the graph with the group earning more than the median salary. But if you buy close to the city and you have a million dollar mortgage you'd need $200,000 a year! Our household income is the same in Canada as in SA if we convert. And that’s even though a soaring housing market has softened the blow in B.C. Being in the top quintile took around $300,000, over twice the minimum of $131,000 it takes, on average, in Canada. While for the middle class, it was $78,442, and for the lower class, it was $25,624 (in 2016 dollars; figures reflect a three-person household). The median income of the middle class as of 2016 was $78,442. Economists sometimes use median income to define the middle class. Between January of that year and November of 2016, many in Alberta lost their jobs, as the unemployment rate nearly doubled to reach 9 per cent. What is considered a middle class family salary in Canada? In all likelihood, you can thank public-sector unions for that, said Milligan. Surveys have shown this over and over both in Canada and the U.S. It’s one reason why politicians love the word so much: When they say “middle class,” the vast majority of voters thinks it’s about them, even though it might not be.   Your link has been automatically embedded. Here, the middle section of the middle class has incomes of between $70,000 and $102,000 — higher than in Toronto. READ MORE: Alberta unemployment hits 9%, highest in 22 years. 37.7 percent of families are earning less than what would be considered a middle-income. Topping $100,000 things get pretty comfortable. Tax in Alberta is 5%. We are very blessed that he got a very fair offer, and that they moved us. Including Thetford Mines, six of the 10 communities with Canada’s poorest middle class are located in Quebec, three in Ontario and one, Campbellton, in New Brunswick. The difference is due to housing cost and the effect of high marginal income tax rates. BC is by far the most expensive province to live in because the taxes are higher and the price of petrol (called ‘gas’ here) is higher.   You cannot paste images directly. Way too many variables. In places like Regina, median incomes weigh in at over $80,000, but to overshoot the middle class you need roughly $151,000. Here it takes a fairly high income to be part of the middle class but reaching the top income group is relatively easy compared to many other parts of the country. I earn an average salary and our kids go to a private school, play extra sport, and we have enough. Upper middle class: A family of 4 which can buy and maintain a car in the C2 segment such as … But if the recession hit Albertans hard in terms of joblessness, it hasn’t drastically yanked down incomes, said Milligan. The U.S. Census bureau also breaks down income levels comparably. It is still WAY cheaper than what we would pay where we live now. Thanks so much for your insight into this discussion and it is well appreciated. In general, many factory towns appear to be faring better than Milligan expected. I am only being human where our greatest dilema is that we dont usually know how the story of our lives will end....but that is where comes in. I am eternally grateful to God and thank you all for your candid advice. Besides, living here makes one appreciate what one had in SA. When the renovations are done, we would have 5 bedrooms, a school room, studio for my newborn photography etc. So when I asked the question yesterday was because the reality eventually done on me and I was just looking for every reasons to think that I am not making mistake. StatsCan came up with local income rankings based on the 2016 census and sliced them up into five groups of equal size. WATCH: How the federal parties courted the middle class vote in the 2015 election. If you are looking for a number then, according to Stats Canada, the average Canadian salary is around $45K p.a. My lifestyle is comparable, bearing in mind I do not have a gardener or maid (a live in nanny can cost $2500) and a cleaner from $15 per hour. Think of Canada as the E.U. Do Trudeau’s tax changes really only hit the rich? 2-person family middle-class income range: $51,695.19 to $154,314 3-person family middle-class income range: $57,772.76 to $172,456 4-person family middle-class … etc. © 2017 Global News, a division of Corus Entertainment Inc. Middle class incomes in cities across the country, WATCH: Here are several middle class incomes in cities across the country, according to Statistics Canada – Nov 6, 2017. Thanks for this...found it quite interesting! So Global News asked Statistics Canada to provide data showing the household income distribution in census metropolitan areas and census agglomerations across the country. As of 2015, when the census data was collected, it took a household income of over $91,000 just to make it into the very bottom of Fort McMurray’s middle class. The report defines middle class as 75-to-200 per cent of the median income in each nation. Just the fact that you have a job waiting for you already puts you in a much better position than most other PR people, You won't be spending much needed money for abou 6 months whilst lOoking for work. There are many ways of saving money here without sacrificing your std of living. Canada’s Gini co-efficient, a key measure of income inequality, started rising in the 1990s, but levelled off in the 2000s. Display as a link instead, × Likely, it depends on how old you are. also remember to factor in your RSA monthly expenses that you will no longer have, expensive medical aid that doesn't even cover everything, maids and gardeners - do it your self and get a workout instead of joining a gym, maybe even sacrifice something when you get to canada - go easy on the TV cable at first (like DSTV), men can have nicely shaved heads - it saves on hairdresser bills, some things are cheaper and others are more costly (anything to do with labour, like hairdresser, maids), also, most homes (rentals too) come with all kitchen electricals like stove, dishwasher, fridge, Overall, I feel that there is a better standard of living in Toronto than in JHB. In general, many factory towns appear to … Thanks Annied. You can post now and register later. Tax in Alberta is 5%. In BC it’s 12%. I just resigned few minutes ago and it was quite an emotional thing for me. That is the middle point of the national income ladder. before buying! So what does it take in Canada to be in the middle class? Compare Vancouver to a small East coast town: one could spend $40,000 a year (post tax dollars) on "average" housing and the other spends $12,000. 45. Of course, since the data is from 2015, the census likely represents a snapshot of a resource boom that was just about to go bust. The oil boom likely helped lift income measures at the national level, but the data also shows “how important the regional dimension is.”. We trusted God and He came through for us. To me this needs to be taken into consideration when you talk about "middle class". The Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) says anyone making between 75 per cent and 200 per cent of the median national income is … This can take up to 3 years or even more. In Alberta its probably around $1.00 per litre or cheaper. and the average household income is around $90K p.a. Inequality is higher than it was in the 1980s but doesn’t seem to be getting worse. Most of the lowest paying jobs will simply pay the minimum wage of whatever region the job happens to be located in. I know SA lawyers (who were top of the ladder in SA) who have worked in department stores and warehouses here because they want a better life for their kids. Thanks for the pdf file....brief and detailed. But over time the middle class has been shrinking: In 1971, 61% of adults lived in middle-class households. 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The median salary is 126,000 CAD per year, which means that half (50%) of the population are earning less than 126,000 CAD while the other half are earning more than 126,000 CAD. Paste as plain text instead, × So house in the market now and still waiting for passport from Pretoria. If I moved to Alberta now, earning what I earn now, my disposable income would increase around 15%-20% because housing is also cheaper than in BC. READ MORE: Do Trudeau’s tax changes really only hit the rich? Don't have loads of extra cash for overseas holidays, etc, but they are not poor by any stretch of the imagination. Thus, to step over the national middle-class threshold of $48,500, a household in Jackson needs an income of only about $39,300, or 19.0% less than the national standard. Firmly lodged in the middle of our income ranking are many of Canada’s capital cities. Former Secretary of Labor Robert Reich suggests that the middle class be defined as households making 50% more or less than the median, which would put the middle class in the $25,000–$75,000 income range, where there are about 50 million families.President Barack Obama said that the middle class is comprised of individuals who make less than $200,000 and couples who make less than $250,000. When you measure the middle class in terms of the share of the population with incomes around the median, Canada’s middle-class ranks have held remarkably steady, he noted. The think tank defines the middle class as households that are earning two-thirds to double the national median. With growing income inequality, it’s becoming harder and harder to think of a unified middle class experience. Freddy, I will be honest with you, most people I speak to don't come over and immediately live the same way they did in SA. Here, the middle section of the middle class has incomes of between $70,000 and $102,000 — higher than in Toronto. Based on Pew research using 2014 data, households making between $31,000 to $42,000 were considered lower-middle class, while three-person …   Your previous content has been restored. “Ontario and Quebec and B.C. Where we live now we also have 3 acres, which we couldn't have in Ottawa obviously. Actually one of the things I love most about the house we just bought is that it is owner built, so a little different to the cookie cutter houses, at the same time it is "right" for Canada. So thrill and scared at the same time.........pheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeew what a feeling. They may differ slightly in configuration, but the cookie cutter houses are all the same. There are certain things I still miss but we wouldn’t go back. “The Government of Canada defines the middle class using a broader set of characteristics than merely income,” Morneau said in the House on Jan. 30, 2017. Nirak on here lived in Winnipeg and she is a fantastic researcher. the middle class is not the norm. @so you are saying that chunk of ones income goes into real estate? In 2013, when Justin Trudeau was laying the groundwork for an electoral campaign pitch focused on helping average-income Canada, he took issue with the Liberals’ portrayal of a struggling middle class. It took us a month of house hunting and frustration onm the part of our estate agent to realise that all the houses are the same. Gordon also challenges the idea of a middle class that has been “hollowed out,” another notion dear to the Liberals. Think of Canada as the E.U. Colorado. Plus, the top group has seen bigger income gains, widening the income gap. They manage to save for a decent retirement and kids wedding. http://www.sacanada.org/topic/3761-what-about-our-money-in-south-africa/. The numbers refer to all households, that is, individuals living alone, couples, couples with children, single parents with children and groups of two or more individuals living together under the same roof. At the risk of over simplifying a very complex topic, your home costs are the biggest issue. Gathering from all what you have said we should better off than in SA eventually. So much depends on where you live (remember how HUGE Canada is). Canada, in other words, is not America’s midwest. We don't eat out nearly as often as we did in SA because it is way more expensive. The gas industry is unregulated and different gas stations charge different prices and the prices fluctuate twice a day every day. Congratulations. In SA, I would never have bought the house I have in Canada. If you are looking for a number then, according to Stats Canada, the average Canadian salary is around $45K p.a. Etc etc. Housing is so different. Out of curiousity I want to ask the house what is the definition of middle class family in Canada in terms of salary? In fact... it was probably a better job. For Canada, that means a person living alone would have an income of about $29,432 to $78,485, it says. Its not easy for everyone to start all over again but faith and determination will get you through. aren’t quite as bad as the U.S. midwest, but [they] do look much like the rest of the U.S.,” he wrote via email. Though economists don’t have a single definition for it, the term does indicate a group of people who stand in the middle of an income distribution. I also know ABSA and FNB corp bank managers who started as tellers here but worked their way back up to management. According to the Pew Research Center, middle class individuals earn between 67 and 200 percent of the median income. I have now officially received my employee no and log in details.....awesome God. I just signed the offer now electronically. minimum salary of 12 lacs CTC before taxes. For the same house. Here's the income you'd have to earn each year to be considered middle class. etc. The cost of cars is also relatively much cheaper than in SA. interesting...I am just curious to know how much do I need to earn to live comparably to the life we have in SA, with a 4 bed house in Durbanville. etc. The median household income reached $70,336 in 2015, according to the latest census data. LISTEN: Money and consumer reporter Erica Alini joins Tasha Kheiriddin on AM640. Middle-class incomes in Alberta often cross the $100,000 mark, including in both Calgary and Edmonton. But those two homes could differ by a few hundred thousand on price. In Alberta its probably around $1.00 per litre or cheaper. For example, a typical middle class family of four will receive, on average, about $2,000 more each year, as a result of the middle class tax cut and the Canada Child Benefit. 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